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RLD^S DAIRY CONGRESS 



HEARINGS 



BEFORE THE 

COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS 

HOUSE OF REPEESEXTATIVES 

SIXTY-SIXTH CONGRESS 
THIRD SESSION 

ON 



H. J. RES. 459 



AUTHORIZING THE PRESIDENT TO EXTEND INVITATIONS TO 

FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN 

A WORLD'S DAIRY CONGRESS 



JANUARY 27, 28, 1921 



STATEMENTS OF 

Mr. B. H. RAWL, Assistant Chief, Bureau of Animal Industry, Depart- 
ment of Agriculture 

Mr. MILO D. CAMPBELL, representing the National Milk Producers 
Association 

Mr. a. M. LOOMIS, Secretary, National Dairy Union and Secretary 
of the Washington office of the National Grange 

Dr. C. W. LARSON, Dairy Division, U. S. Department of Agriculture 



WASHINGTON 

GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 

1!»21 



COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS. 

Sixty-sixth Congress, 



THIRD SESSION. 



STEPHEN G. PORTER, 
JOHN JACOB ROGERS, Massachusetts. 
HENRY W. TEMPLE, Pennsylvania. 
AMBROSE KENNEDY, Rhode Island. 
EDV.'ARD E. BROWNE, Wisconsin. 
MERRILL MOORES, Indiana. 
WILLIAM E. MASON, IlUnois. 
WALTER H. NEWTON, Minnesota. 
L. J. DICKINSON, Iowa. 
ERNEST R. ACKERMAN, New Jersey. 
FRANK L. SMITH, Illinois. 
JAMES T. BEGG, Ohio. 
ALANSON B. HOUGHTON, New York. 

Edmund F. 



Pennsylvania, Chairman. 

HENRY D. FLOOD, Virginia. 
J. CHARLES LINTHICUM, Maryland. 
WII^IAM S. GOODWIN, Arkansas. 
CH-A^RLES M. STEDMAN, North Carolina. 
ADQLPH J. SABATH, IlUnois. 
GEORGE HUDDLESTON, Alabama. 
TOM CONNALLY, Te.xas. 
THOMAS F. SMITH, New York. 



Erk, Ckrk. 




WORLD'S DAIRY COXGRESS. 



Committee ox Foreigx Affairs, 

House of Representatives, 
Washington, D. C, Thursday, January 27, 1921. 
The Chairman. Now, Mr. Browne, we have your measure here, 
which we will take up next. 

(The joint resolution is as follows:) 

[House joint resolution 459, Sixty-sixth Congress, third session.] 

JOINT RESOLUTION Authorizing the President to extend invitations for foreign Governments to 
participate in a world's dairy congress. 

Resolved by the Senate and Ilortse oj Representatives oj the United States oj America in 
Congress assembled. That the Presidelit be, and he is hereby, authorized and requested 
to extend invitations to foreign Governments to be represented by delegates in a 
world's dairy congress to be held in the United States in 1922: Provided, That nothing 
herein contained shall be construed to create any pecuniary obligation on the part of 
the Government of the United States. 

Mr. Browne. I have House joint resolution 459, authorizing- the 
President to extend invitations to foreign Governments to partici- 
pate in a world's- dairy congress; the resolution carries no appro- 
priation. The dairy people of the country are in favor of it and I 
have some people here from the Department of Agriculture, and others, 
who would like to make statements in regard to it. I will first call 
Mr. Rawl, of the Department of Agriculture. 

STATEMENT OF MR. B. H. RAWL, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF THE 
BUREAU OF ANIMAL INDUSTRY, DEPARTMENT OF AGRI- 
CULTURE. 

Mr. Rawl. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, there has. been an 
organization in Europe, for quite a number of years, known as the 
International Dairy Congress that has held meetings and for quite 
a good many years Americans representing commercial interests, 
and in some instances officially, have participated in these meetings. 
There has been a growing sentiment in this countiy for some years 
to hold such a meeting in America. Of course, our dairy industry 
is comparatively new when we think of the age of cuch activities in 
Europe, yet even before the war there was considerable interest in 
this matter and last year at the national dairy show a number of 
representatives of various dairy organizations took the matter up 
and decided to ask the Secretary of Agriculture to present the matter 
to the State Department and to request the Secretary of State to 
secure from Congress, if possible, the necessary authority to enable 
a congress of that kind to be held in the United States. That has 
been done and the resolution is here before you. We had expected 
formerly to present this through the Department of State and the 



4 WOELD S DAIRY CONGRESS. 

dairy organizations would make such presentation as they deemed 
proper and these two gentlemen here, one president of the National 
Dairy Products Association and the other secretary of the Dairy 
Union, are here to give you what information you may desire. Ar- 
rangements have not been made to bring the representatives of other 
dairy oro:anizations here at this time. There is a bunch of letters 
here making that request, either to me as an employee of the Depart- 
ment of Agriculture, or in some cases to the Secretary of Agriculture, 
w^hich the chairman has in hand and these letters are from the offi- 
cials of the various organizations of the country and show their 
interest in the matter. I might say that this includes all of the 
national organizations, including the associations of teachers and 
instructors who are similarly interested in the matter. I do not 
wish to take up your time, but perhaps it would be desirable for me 
to state briefly a few of the leading features that will be involve 

Now, in the first place the idea here, the idea of the organizations, 
is to bring the scientific, the commercial, and the controlling officials 
of the various countries all together; that is, the group that is inter- 
ested in research, those interested in developing the business and 
those who have to enforce the national laws. 

Now, of course, we have gotten from the older countries of the 
world the foundation for our dairy industry; we have gotten our 
cattle from Europe, also pasteurization, the separator, and other 
fundamental basic features of our great dairy industry, and we are 
still getting from them information of various kinds and are still 
bringing in their cattle and experiments. We can learn in the future 
much more than we have learned in the past from these people, and 
it is for that — to bring together a group of people who are interested 
in this matter — that this subject is brought before you. This matter 
has been considered informally by some of our commercial and 
scientific men, and it is the belief that there would be a large response 
from the various foreign countries, including the countries of South 
America which are interested in our work and are beginning to buy, 
to some extent, our products. It would bring these people together. 
We could offer them something in return for what we have been get- 
ting from them. We have developed a system of control of our milk 
that is not equaled anywhere else in the world, and we would like 
to return to the older countries of Europe something for what we 
have received. The city milk control system, by which you have 
secured an abundance of milk in the cities is undoubtedly one of our 
great food problems; it enters into the child life of the Nation in. a 
vital way. We have made great strides in our methods of dealing 
with the matter. I do not mean to say that we are perfect or have 
reached the end, but it is amazing the results that have been obtained. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Will you give us some of the methods we have 
in the District of Columbia for this milk control ? 

Mr. Rawl. There is an ordinance and they have to have a permit 
and statement with reference to the farms, and there is a requirement, 
I believe, for pasteurization of all milk, which if not in the ordinance 
itself is almost universal. There is also an inspection of the distribu- 
tion agencies. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. There is a District inspection system? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir; it is part of the health department. 



WORLD S DAIRY CONGRESS. 5 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. If a person desires to know whether his milk 
supply here is pure or adulterated he can go to the health department 
and have it determined ? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir; call on the health department and they will 
give you the rec[uired inspection. 

Mr. Browne. I would say to Mr. Huddleston that I am having 
this inspection made now on some of the milk they are furnishing 
here in the House restaurant. 

Mr. Huddleston. I asked the question because of the fact that 
it seems to becoming quite common to get adulterated milk and I 
want to find out some way of securing good milk. 

Mr. Rawl. We suggest that all tlie people call on the health 
department to find that out. There is no better way than by com- 
municating; with the officer in the health department who has this 
inspection in charge. On the whole, the cit}^ milk supply of xVmcrica 
is good but, of course, it is not perfect; there is great improvement to 
be made but on the whole it is the best in the world, and to bring 
together these representatives of the various countries of the world 
will help to make it better. If we are going to sell goods, we must 
have knovdedge of the requirements of the people and we can make 
them uniform. Our commercial people can meet the various require- 
ments of the various countries. I tliink it would not be boasting to 
say that we have developed the production of dairy machinery to a 
point beyond most of the other countries in the world. We have not 
been interested in selling this machinery abroad because we have 
had a great demand for it at home. The South American countries 
are undeveloped in this respect and are asking us about it now, 
their representatives here in the Government are making efforts 
toward that end. I feel that it is perhaps unnecessary for me to go 
further into this matter unless there are questions which you gentle- 
men wish to ask. 

Mr. Dickinson. If this resolution were passed, would it be sup- 
plemrnted with a request to the Agricultural Committee for an 
appropriation '. 

Mr. Rawl. That is a matter which has not been decided upon one 
way or another. The dairy people propose to create an organization 
for dealing with this proposition and propose to raise a considerable 
sum of money themselves. None of that has been done, however, 
as they do not wish to do anything of that kind until they knew what 
would be done with this resolution. 

Mr. Dickinson. You do not, however, think that our Government 
should beo;in calling international conferences in the various lines of 
industry if it is going to be called upon to bear the expense ? 

Mr. Rawl. No, sir; I would not, although that is a matter, I 
would say a detail, about which I know very little. It is the custom 
of the State Department here to show some little consideration. The 
dairy people are making no request for this, however. 

Mr. Dickinson. What I am getting at is this: I do not want a 
resolution of this kind, passed by this committee, to be an opening 
wedge for the National Dairy Congress, or representatives of your 
various organizations, to go before some other committee and say that 
this has been authorizecl by the Government and that the}" must 
make an appropriation of an amount sufficient to meet the expense. 



6 WORLD S DAIRY CONGRESS. 

Mr. Rawl. This matter will be presented to no other branch of 
Congress at this time because the thing is not yet organized. These 
representatives have gotten together for the purpose of finding out 
what can be done toward having this international conference. Of 
course, I would not be in position to say what will be done at some 
later date 

Mr. Dickinson. What I want to get at is to see if I can get some 
formal statement of policy which will say that this thing is to he 
worked out without expense to the Government, or do you want some 
pledge from the Government of an appropriation toward the expense. 
In other words, I do not see why we should pay the expense of a 
congress of this kind any more than that of any other industry, such, 
as steel, or cotton, or live stock; in other words I want to get a pledge 
from you men who want this conference that you are going to look 
out for and bear your own expenses. 

Mr. Rawl. They are going to work it up and decide the case; that 
is their plan. Their idea was to present this first to Congress, but I do 
not f pel that I am in a position to say am thing in regard to that. I 
am not speaking as an authorized representative; they simply 
requested us to present this matter for them, and I am not authorized 
to sa;^; that they would not ask for am other assistance or recognition, 
in this matter. I should think this would be in policy with the 
Government for such conferences; when other conferences are held 
by the nations the Government does some things. 

Mr. Mason. You would not undertake to pledge either the organiza- 
tion or to pledge anv number that Congress would not be asked to 
make an appropriation? 

Mr. Rawl. No, sir; I have not the authority to pledge anything of 
that kind. 

Mr. Dickinson. Do you not think that if we authorized the Presi- 
dent here to call a conference of this kind that the Government has 
gone as far as it should go if it invites them here ? 

Mr. Rawl. I really do not feel that I am able to answer that ques- 
tion. I will say, however, that I think the Government should be 
with us in this. 

Mr. Dickinson. What has been the policy of the Government in 
conferences of this kind heretofore held ? 

Mr. Rawl. I am not in position to answer that; the State Depart- 
ment attends to such matters. I have attended one or two such 
conferences here. 

Mr. Newton. Just what conferences that \ou know of have been 
held based upon a similar invitation? 

Mr. Rawl. We had, for instance, the Pan American Scientific 
Congress here in Washington. 

Mr. Houghton. That is not the same thing at all. This is a 
branch of trade. Why do you claim special consideration here when 
as Mr. Dickinson says the same thing could be claimed by the steel, 
woolen, or cotton people? 

Mr. Rawl. I have not attempted to claim special consideration; 
and might I emphasize the fact that this is intended to invite the 
scientific features as well as the commercial ? It is desired to bring 
together the people who have worked out the scientific problems in 
the handling of milk and also to bring together the control people 
who deal with the governmental regulations. 



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Mr. Temple. Are there any scientific questions involved, say in 
the matter of cheese manufacture and fine stock breeding? 

Mr. Rawl. Man}^ of the most comphcated scientific problems of 
the whole world. 

Mr. Temple. Have we had any visitors from other countries who 
have come here to learn something of us and our methods ? 

Mr. Rawl. Many of them; we are having them more or less 
constantly. 

Mr. Temple. I think I remember a visit of a representative of a 
South African Government to an experiment station up in western 
Pennsylvania. 

Mr. Rawl. I remember one party from South Africa. 

Mr. Temple. Coming up from there to learn our methods. Have 
other countries anything we can learn from them ? 

Mr. Rawl. Indeed they have, sir; we are constantly getting from 
them the results of their experiments. 

Mr. Temple. Would such a congress as you speak of invite an 
exchange of knowledge of that sort ? 

Mr. Raavl. Absolutely. 

The Chairman. Mr. Rawl, as I understand your statement, you 
believe that this conference should be called l^y the President, or 
rather that these parties should be invited, for the purpose of an 
interchange of ideas. The dairy industry of the country, have they 
so far made any preparation for the reception of these delegates ? 

Mr. Rawl. They have not, sir. 

The Chairman. As I read this resolution, if we pass it, it will 
inevitably involve an appropriation on the part of Congress, if the 
President issues this invitation, unless the dairy industry contributes 
the expenses of the conference. 

Mr. Rawl. I might say that the dair , industr has not ; et full .^ 
decided that matter. 

Mr. Browne. The dair r industr - hasi^ agreed that the will raise 
S100,000 and think that 'will be enough, but the;/ do not absolutely 
say that thoy will not ask Congress, at some future time, for money; 
the^* do not commit themselves on that point. 

Mr. Rawl. Might I add that the dair industries have had nothing 
to do with the language sent here in this resolution; that came from 
the State Department, and if } ou wish to change it it is agreeable 
to us. 

The Chairman. Personall • I would favor a liberal appropriation, 
as I heartily approve of this conference, but we know the views of 
the majorit of the House, and under this resolution if the President 
issues this invitation and the dairv men fail to provide for the ex- 
penses, then Congress is bound to appropriate money for them as a 
matter of good faith. Now, Mr. Browne tells us that the dairy 
industries have pledged themselves to raise upward of $100,000. 
I want to get this resohition through for you, if we can, and I was 
wondering if we could not put some kind of a limit on an ." appro- 
priation that might be asked of Congress to m?et these expenses. 

Mr. Dickinson. Do you think that if we passed this resolution 
in its present form that we would obligate ourselves to come forth 
with an appropriation at an later date ? 

The Chairman. Yes, sir; and I would much rather put an appro- 
priation of .1^50,000 in it than to let it remain as it is and give the 
department carte blanche in the matter. 



8 world's dairy congress. 

Mr. Dickinson. I want to suggest that in our former appropria- 
tion bill we carried an amount of $8,000 for the International Insti- 
tute of Agriculture, a salarv of one member of a permanent committee 
at $3,600; that was carried in our appropriation bill, and I want to 
suggest to the committee that we do not want to go into that sort of 
thing unless we do it advisedl . I am in thorough s; mpathy with 
the purposes of this proposed conference, however. 

Mr. Rawl. I can say emphatically that the dairy industries have 
made no effort to secure any sort of a bill that would interfere in this 
matter. What thev wish to do is to get authority for the President 
or the Secretary of State which would enable them to do this, and after 
that authority is extended they will proceed at once with an organi- 
zation and machinery to take care of it. They simply want you to 
give the President power to do this, and if this bill is not one that is 
suitable or satisfactory for that purpose just change it so that it will 
give that authority; that is all we ask. 

The Chairman. As the bill stands before us, w^e give the President 
a blanket authority that carries with it an implied agreement to make 
an appropriation to meet the expenses of such a conference as you 
wish. 

. Mr. Houghton. Mr. Chairman, are there not two points of view 
to this matter which seem to have become confused ? One would be 
that if this conference is called primarily by the dairy people, for the 
use of the dairy people, it becomes a matter that they should care for, 
wdiile, on the other hand, if it is called by the President, then it 
becomes a national charge, it seems to me, and therefore it sooner or 
later would carry an appropriation, and if it is to be of a scientific 
nature I think the appropriation should' be in the resolution. I 
would not be in favor of a resolution that would enable the steel 
manufacturer, the cotton manufacturer, or some others to come and 
ask for a similar resolution on the ground that we had passed such a 
resolution for mere commercial purposes, but on the ground of public 
health or scientific advancement, as a national proposition it seems 
to me it should carry an appropriation. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Havc we any national association of dairymen 
in the United States ? 

Mr. Rawl. We have the National Milk Producers' Association, the 
National Butter Producers' Association, and there is also an associ- 
ation for each breed of cattle, such as the Holstein-Friesian Association 
of iVmerica, which deals with the advancement, breeding, and regis- 
tration of Holstein cattle. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Are all of these to be represented in this pro- 
posed conference ? 

Mr. Rawl. All of them; yes, sir. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. H^s there ever been a national dairyman's 
conference or congress in this country? 

Mr. Rawl. You mean of our ow^n people ? 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Ycs, sir. 

Mr. Rawl. We have this national dairy show. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Who holds this dairy show? 

Mr. Rawl. It is a corporation and is supported by various indi- 
viduals throughout all branches of the dairy industry. It is organized 
as a business interest. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. YvTiat is its real purpose? 



WORLD S DAIRY CONGRESS. V 

Mr. Rawl. Its real purpose is to extend information. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Extend information in regard to milk? 

Mr. Raavl. Not necessarily, but to exhibit all kinds of machinery 
used in the dairy industry. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. What is the real purpose? 

Mr. Rawl. The real purpose is the development of the affairs and 
features of this dairy industry. 

Mr. HuDDLESTOX.^ To develop the affairs of parties having machin- 
ery or cattle? 

Mr. Rawl. It has that feature in it also. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Is uot that the real thing? 

Mr. Rawl. That is the real source of its support, but there is a 
great deal of effort made in this show to extend information about 
milk, the use of milk, the care of milk, and how to get better milk. 

Mr. PIuDDLESTOX. Is tliorc any international association or con- 
ference, or has any such conference ever been held ? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes^ sir; in Europe they are holding such conferences 
and have been for quite a number of years; a number of South Amer- 
ican countries also have had conferences. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Tiicy have been held in one country and the 
others invited to send representatives? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Have they been supported or recognized by. 
their Governments ? 

Mr. Rawl. They have all been supported by the Government to 
the extent of having Government recognition, but whether or not 
the Government has spent any money on them I do not know. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Has this country ever been invited to send any 
representatives i 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir; and has on two or three occasions sent such 
representatives. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. Is it proposed to organize a national organiza- 
tion or society of any kind; is this a step in that direction i 

Mr. Rawl.' This does not look forward to anything further than 
this one C3nference; but I do not assume that this country, or most of 
the others, would fail to participate in further conferences in the 
future, but this does not have in mind the purpose of creating some- 
thing for the future. What we would want of this Congress — what 
we would like to make it is a big, useful, attractive affair and what we 
would secure out of it I, of course, do not know. We have never 
held anvthing of this kind. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. What is to prevent the dairy interests of this 
country, or the cattle interests, calling a conference of this kind 
without governmental authorization of this kind, such as is suggested 
in this resolution ? 

Mr. Rawl. If it was a regular commercial organization or congress 
that is often done, but it seems to be the custom, particularly in the 
older countries of Europe, for scientific gatherings to be given offi- 
cially. 

Mr. HUDDLESTON. Then it is too add to the prestige, is that it ? 

Mr. Rawl. Add to the prestige and benefit both. 

The Chairman. When was the last conference held ^ 

Mr. Rawl. The last conference was held in 1914 at Berna, Switzer- 
land. 



10 world's dairy congress. 

Mr. HuDDLESTON. That was an international congress ? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Did we send delegates to that conference ? 

Mr. Rawl. We were not represented officially at that time. I 
may say that the Secretary of Agriculture requested authority to 
send a delegate but it did not go through in time, and very fortu- 
nately so, because it would have meant one more American in Europe 
at the outbreak of the war. We were not officially represented, but 
some Americans were there. 

The Chairman. The United States was represented but not 
officially ? 

Mr. Rawl. No, sir, not officially. 

Mr. Mason. They had no official standing and could not represent 
any person but themselves^ 

Mr. Rawl. They did not participate in the conference ? 

Mr. CoNNALLY. What were they doing there if they did not 
participate in the conference ? 

Mr. Rawl. They went at their own expense. 

Mr. CoNNALLY. Of course, but did not they represent some one and 
participate in the conference ? 

Mr. Rawl. No, sir; they did not participate in the conference; 
they were there as private individuals. 

Mr. CoNNALLY. Do they publish the proceedings of these meet- 
ings? 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir. 

Mr. CoNNALLY. How are they distributed ? 

Mr. Rawl. I do not know. 

Mr. CoNNALLY. Do they have a regular program which they follow 
at these conferences ( 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir; a regular program would be prepared, in 
which they would consider, for instance, tuberculosis in cattle; the 
regulation of tuberculosis in cattle; the scientific treatment of tuber- 
culosis in cattle; the distribution of milk, its advancement, etc.; 
that would all be considered and the information assembled and 
distributed. It covers all fields of information in regard to the va- 
rious subjects and one of the features of the conference would be 
the disseminating of this information. 

Mr. Dickinson. Would you object to an amendment to this reso- 
lution so that the President would call this conference in behalf of the 
dairy industry; that is, that the resolution be drawn in such shape 
that the Government would be under no obligation as to the expenses 
of this conference and which the dairy men would pledge themselves 
to meet. 

Mr. Rawl. No, sir; I would not, but, of course, I would not say that 
all these people in the United vStates would pledge themselves to that. 
I would not object to anything that fhe committee feels it would like 
to put in the resolution. 

The Chairman. The point that is troubling me is this: This bill 
gives the President blanket authority with no limit on the expense. 
Now if there is some way by which we can overcome that, I think we 
can get your resolution through the House. 

Mr. Rawl. Why not put a limitation on it? Would it change the 
effect of the resolution if you changed the wording so as to permit the 
President — would the meaning be changed, so as to give him the 



world's dairy congress. 11 

privilege instead of authorizing him to do it ? Mr. Loomis, of the 
National Dairy Union, and Mr. Campbell, of the National Milk Pro- 
ducers' dissociation, are here and I would like to have you hear them 
Mr. Browne. Before we call the next witness I would like to read 
a short message of President Wilson laying this matter before the 
Senate. It says: 

I invite the attention of the (Congress to the commercial and scientific value which 
the Secretary of Agriculture thinks would accrue to the important dairy industry 
of the United States by holding the proposed Congress, and 1 ask for the matter the 
favorable consideration of the Con_^re33. 

It will be observed that no appropriation is asked for at this time, but that if the 
holding of the proposed congress be authorized by the Congress of the United States 
it may'be that the dairy organizations of the United States may, if found necessary, 
ask the Congress for a small appropriation in addition to the $100,000 which they 
themselves propose to raise. 

That seems to leave the matter of an appropriation in abeyance to 
let Congress decide what they want to do. It may develop that this 
meeting, by showing before the Appropriations Committee, is such 
that it IS of great importance to the health of the people, and also that 
the scientific value is groat, as well as the commercial part, and Con- 
gress may want to appropriate something, but under this resolution 
they do not aj)propriate anything. 

Mr. Newton. Of course, there is no doubt in our mind, Mr. Browne, 
that if this conference is held they will come before Congress with a 
request for an appropriation. 

Mr. Browne. I do not know that at all. The important thing is 
to get official recognition, so that the South American and all the?e 
other countries will send their representatives to this conference here. 

Mr. Temple. There is one clause in this resolution to which I would 
like to call attention. This would " authorize the President to extend 
invitations to foreign governments to be represented b}^ delegates in 
a world's dairy congress to be held in the United States in 1922," but 
does not say anything about the United States being represented. 

Mr. Mason. It is now half past 11 o'clock, and I have a short 
matter here which I want to bring to your attention, and I want to 
be in the House at 12 o'clock. 

The Chairman. Can you gentlemen come back to-morrow morning, 
at 10.30 o'clock? 

Mr. Rawl. These gentlemen say that they will be here to-morrow 
morning. 

Committee on Foreign Affairs, 

House of Representatives, 
WasJdngton, D. C, Friday, January 28, 1921. 
The committee met at 10.30 o'clock a. m., Hon. Stephen G. Porter 
(chairman) presiding. 

The Chairman. Mr. Browne, suppose you offer your amendment 
to resolution 4.59 and that will meet the objection of the other members 
of the committee. 

Mr. Browne. Woidd you not like to have Mr. Campbell make his 
statement first ? 

The Chairman. Is there any necessity for that? We have a lot 
of thmgs to, dispose of here and if Mr. Campbell would like to submit 
somethmg in writing, we would be glad to have him do it. What 
you want is this resolution passed out. 



12 world's dairy congress. 

STATEMENT OF MR. MILO D. CAMPBELL, REPRESENTING 
THE NATIONAL MILK PRODUCERS' ASSOCIATION. 

Mr. Campbell. Mr. Chairman, I want to say to you that I am m 
full sympathy, as one of the milk producers of this country, with 
anything that will look toward economy m this country, and we are 
against making anpropriations for this thing or that thing. The 
farmers of the country do not want it done themselves, but what we 
would like is to hare an hivitation extended so that this dairy con- 
gress may be held. 

The Chairman. May I say to all of you gentlemen that if vou 
desire to submit a statement in support of the resolution, we will be 
glad to prmt it as a part of the record. 

STATEMENT OF MR. A. M. LOOMIS, SECRETARY OF THE 
NATIONAL DAIRY UNION AND SECRETARY OF THE WASH- 
INGTON OFFICE OF THE NATIONAL GRANGE. 

Mr. LooMis. Mr. Chairman, I would like to submit for the record a 
resolution i^assed by the National Grange at its last annual session 
at Boston, Mass., last November, a statement containing about a 
couple hundred words which I would like to read. 

Whereas the leading dairy organizations of the United States have united to invite 

the International Dairy Congress to meet in the United States for its 1922 sessions, 

and at the national dairy show in Chicago last month a national committee was 

organized to bring this about if possible, and 
Whereas dairying is one of the important branches of the great industry of agriculture, 

of which the National Grange is representative; and 
Whereas, great benefits are likely to come to American dairy farmers from the meeting 

in this country of this great international gathering of dairy farmers and dairy 

scientists: Therefore be it 

Resolved, That the National Grange approves the effort now being made by the 
organized dairy interests to secure the meeting of the International Dairy Congress 
in the United States in 1922 and urges Congress to enact the necessary legislation to 
provide for the official invitation to be extended to this great organization and for 
the proper entertainment of this great international gathering. 

Mr. Campbell. I would like the privilege of filing within half an 
hour a brief statement of the mi]k producers. 

The Chairman. Certainly; that was the invitation I extended 
to you. 

Mr. LooMis. I want to qualify the statement for the record as to 
where this comes from. The National Grange is a national organ- 
ization of farmers with a membership of well toward 1,000,000, 
organized in subordinate county and State organizations in 35 
States, and is the oldest farmors' organization. We maintain offices 
here in Washington at all times. This resolution was duly offered 
and considered and passed favorably at the annual session last 
November at Boston. 

On behalf of the National Da'ry l^nion, of which I am secretary, 
I wish to say (hat we took part in the preliminary organizations at 
Chicago last October, at which time this matter of hokling a world's 
dairy congress was first taken up and considered. Eepresented there 
were some 20 or more national dairy organizations, and the action ot 
that organization was absolutely unanimous in asking to have this 
world's congress held hef-e in the next jeav, and the National Dairy 
Union authorized me to formally express our approval of it here 
before the conmiittee. 



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Mr. Mascn. Mr. Chairman, if I may bo permitted to say one word, 
I am in favor of this resokition, because I beheve it is in the interest 
of the consumer just as well as the producer. There are a good many 
million consumers in my district, as well as producers of milk and 
butter, and I shall favor this resolution, and if I ever get a chance I 
shall favor an appropriation, not only upon scientific and business 
grounds, but upon the ground of helping to estabhsh pure food. 

The Chairman. The Chair desires to make a part of the record a 
number of letteis written in support of this resolution. 

Mr. Browne. Would Dr. Larson like to make a statement and file 
a brief 'i 

Dr. Larson. Yes; I will file one along with Mr. Rawl. 

Mr. Browne. I understand there are several other important mat- 
ters to come before the committee here, and the only objection raised 
yesterday at the hearing was the fact that this resolution implied that 
the Government would pay the expenses without any limit placed on 
the expense. Some one suggested we put a small appropriation upon 
this. If we put an appropriation upon this, it means that may delay 
it so it may not go through at this session, which would be a very 
serious thing, because it takes some time to communicate with these 
different countries and go through their long processes. 

Mr. Newton. This committee does not have authority to appro- 
priate now, under the rules of the House, have we? 

Mr. Browne. No; and in view of that I thought of introducing 
this amendment, after 1922, in line 6: 

Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to create any pecuniary 
obligation on tlie part of the GoA^ernment of the United States. 

This does not preclude the dairy people, if they should want to in 
another session of Congress, coming in and asking for an appropria- 
tion if they needed it or wanted it. 

Mr. Mason. It looks to me like inviting our friends to dinner with 
the understanding they bring their lunch with them. 

Mr. LIouGHTON. What is the use of it?. If we all understand and 
the House understands that sooner or later an appropriation is going 
to be, asked for, and keeping that in view we still favor the resolution, 
why not let it alone ? 

Mr. Browne. I would prefer to have it left alone in just the way 
I drafted it. 

The Chairman. As a matter of fact. I gather from these gentlemen 
that in all likelihood the expenses of this congress will be paid by the 
dairy interests, although there is a possibility they will ask us for an 
appropriation. 

Mr. Houghton. You see they can not ask us, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Of course not. They would go before the Appro- 
priations Committee. 

Mr. Houghton. That would be before another committee. All 
we have to do is to approve the principle, I suppose, of calling this 
meeting. 

The Chairman. Yes. But I think a reasonable construction of 
this resolution carries with it the implication that the LTnited -States 
is going to pa}^ the expenses of this Congress and thereby you give 
the President blanket authority to go on and spend all the money he 
might see fit, and I do not understand how Congress upon receipt of 
those bills could refuse to appropriate the necessary amount of 
money if we passed the resolution in its present form. 



14 world's dairy congress. 

Mr. Houghton. Is it your theory, Mr. Chairman, that this com- 
mittee which can not appropriate can, nevertheless, authorize the 
expenditure of money ? 

The Chairman. Oh, yes; that is my objection to the resohition in 
its present form. 

Mr. Mason. I think you are right about it, Mr. Houghton, and I 
move that the chairman be instructed to report the resolution as 
originally adopted. 

The Chairman. There is another element here, Mr. Mason, that 
must be considered. Unless we get this measure through Congress 
at the present session, it will be useless. It will go through with the 
amendment suggested by Mr. Browne without any trouble under 
suspension of the rules, but if it carries even an implication of an 
appropriation you are going to have a fight, and if we fail to get it 
through it will defeat the purpose these gentlemen have in mind, and 
as I understand they are in harmony on this amendment. 

Mr. Mason. Then I move the adoption of the Browne amendment. 

Mr. Browne. I took the view right up to this time that I did not 
think this carried any appropriation or any obligation on the part of 
the Government, as originally drawn, and I do not think it does now. 
There are a lot of lawyers and others on this committee and I would 
like to hear if it really hurts the force of the resolution to put that 
amendment upon it. As you say, it is a kind of an invitation with 
a string tied to it, and it is not as hearty an invitation as it would be 
without it. Of course, if that question was raised seriously on the 
floor of the House, it might tend to defeat it. 

Mr. Mason. I accepted your amendment simply upon the theory 
that it would help to pass the resolution, as explained by the chair- 
man, and I move the adoption of the amendment. It simply recites 
that it does not create a debt. Of course, it does not create any 
legal debt, but a moral obligation. 

The Chairman. Do you not think, Mr. Mason, it creates a moral 
obligation on the part of Congress to pay any bills the President 
contracts within reasonabre bounds? . 

Mr. Mason. Yes; there is a moral or a social or ethical obligation 
but the recitation there that it does not create any debt — it is true 
no legal debt upon which suit could be brought and I move the 
adoption of the Browne amendment. 

The CHiViRMAN. Are there any remarks on the motion of Mr. 
Mason ? 

Mr. Browne. I would like to ask Mr. Rawl of the Department 
of AOTiculture, since that department is interested in this matter, 
whether that would be satisfactory under all the circumstances. 

Mr. Rawl. Yes, sir; I think so. Of course, the Department of 
Agriculture is acting because it has been requested by these various 
agencies and it is in hearty sympathy with them. Of course, the 
organization of this association will be outside of the department 
very largely, although the department will no doubt piirticipate and 
help to develop the thing; but speaking for those organizations, what 
they want above everything else now, is the authority so they can 
organize and go ahead, and if they do not get that at this session of 
Congress they will not have time to put the thing on in 1922, as 
they supposed, so that it seems to me that anything that would 
jeopardize securing that authority at the present lime had better be 



WORLD S DAIRY CONGRESS. 15 

eliminated, and if this amendment does facilitate the securing of 
that authority, then it would be desirable. 

I, myself, feel that in the present situation it will facilitate it, 
although the question of whether or not the Government should 
spend certain funds is a question, I think, which is quite open to con- 
sideration and naturall}'' should be considered at the proper time in 
connection Math the publishing of the reports of the meetings and 
doing such things as are necessary to make the meeting a complete 
success. That covers the question you had in mind, Mr. Browne, 
doesn't it ? 

Mr. Browne. Yes. 

(The motion of Mr. Mason having been duly seconded, prevailed.) 

Mr. Browne. I now move that the resolution be reported out as 
amended, with instructions that the Chair call it up at the very 
earliest possible time. 

(The motion being duly seconded, prevailed.) 

The Chairman. Gentlemen, I would thank you if you would have 
your statements in not later than to-morrow noon. 

Mr. Rawl. Mr. Chairman, may I say that if there is any informa- 
tion or anything that is needed at all in dealing with this matter, we 
shall be very glad to be of assistance. 

(The statements submitted are as follows:) 

United States Department of Agriculture, 

Bureau of Animal Industry, 
Washington, D. C, January 27, 1921. 
Hon. Edward E. Browne, 

House of Representafivcs. 
Dear Mr. Browne: I have your letter of January 25 regarding the joint resolution 
authorizing the President to extend an in^-itation to other countries to participate 
in the World's Dairy Congress. 

( "oncerning information relatiAe to the production and importance of dairying and 
dairy products, I am submitting herewith a page of statistics which coAer the ques- 
tions you ask. I am also sending heroA^dth a story copied from the Market Reporter, 
which will no doubt be of interest to you in preparing materials for your discussions. 
If there is anything further that we can do for you in this matter, I hope you will 
let us know. 

Very truly, yours, 

B. H. Raw I AssislantChifofrvxiv, 



CoLDWATER, MiCH., January 29, 1921. 
To the Committee on Foreign Affairs, 

House of Representatives. 

Sirs: Permit me to respectfully add my personal indorsement to the request being 
made by the various dairy interests of the United 'States for the passage of this reso- 
lution asking the President to call a world's dairy congress in this country in 1922. 

Without reviewing the many advantages to accrue generally to the various dairy 
interests of this and other countiics, I want to emphasize briefly the reasons which 
make it a matter of national concern and interest. 

The dairy business. — I am representing the National Milk Producers' Federation, 
an organization of appro> imately 400,000 members owning and milking nearly 
3,000.000 cows. This is only about one-eighth of the dairymen in the United States, 
but is the only organization of milk producers. 

^ We are the basic branch of the industrv and comprise more than half the farming 
population of the countrv. with 23.000,000 cows, producing 90,000,000,000 pounds of 
milk annually and one-fifth of the food supply of the people. 

' Milk is a manufactured product. Our cows are worth at least S2, 000,000,000 and 
our equipment, including the stables shelteiing them, .?2, 000 000,000 more. Nearly 
or quite two-thirds of the milk from these cows is sold from the farms either as whole 
milk or in the form of cream, butter, cheese, or other manufactured product. 



16 world's daiey congress. 

Cost of prodvction. — No manufartured article or farm product has receiA-ed as much 
attention in the matter of inspection, cost accounting, investigation, analysis, or regu- 
lation as that of milk duiing the last few years. Hundreds of investigations have 
been made covering the cost of producing milk. These investigations have been 
made by the Dei:)artment of Agriculture of the United States, by agricultural colleges, 
e_x7)eriment stations, State departments of agriculture, chambers of commerce in the 
cities, etc. 

According to the Department of Agriculture, it costs the farmer in Vermont S4.51 
to produce 100 pounds of milk in the present month — Januarv, 1921. i« The cost in 
Vermont does not greath- exceed the average cost in the United States. But to take 
the average cost of milk production as found bv the seven principal recognized experts 
of the countrv, covering territory where milk is produced at lowest cost, we iind that 
to produce 100 pounds of milk involves an expense of !?3.5:'!. Tn other words, it costs 
the farmers of the United States, at lowest claimed cost of production, 7h cents per 
quart to produce milk in this month of Januarv. 

Loss tojarmers. — A survey of prices being paid to farmers for their milk as obtained 
from the ihuvau of Markets, covering both fluid milk for the supply of cities, the milk 
used for cheese, butter, and condensing purposes, etc., the average discloses that 
the farmers are nc t receiving more than §2.50 per hundredweight or 5.4 cents per quart. 

This shows an alarming condition in the most important industry of the Nation. 
It shows a loss to the farmers producing milk to sell, amounting to $40,000,000 in this 
month of January and a like amount every month such conditions prevail. 

Unlike other industries. — The dair\ business is unlike other industries, that can close 
dcors when losses are imminent. The dairy cow continues to produce milk and must 
be fed, whether the owner can profit or not. Her flow can not be turned off and on, 
nor can her care and feeding be intermittent. 

National prohlem. — There can no longer be doubt about the importance of this 
industry to the national welfare. The war has taught the whole world the absolute 
necessit)'' for milk in the diet of the human family. With children it is indispensible 
for growth and development, and with adults essential to health. Every scientist, 
dietician and physician is agreed upon this proposition. 

The industry endangered. — The menace that threatens the production of milk in this 
country is partly from importations of milk products from countries where labcr and 
lands are cheap, but chiefly from so-called substitutes, oleos, and other excuses for 
butter and other dairy products. 

These creations are put on the market at an enormous profit by the great corporations, 
advertised in all the journals, on great billboards, in street cars, and ha^ e an armj of 
representatives caring for them in the legislati\e and executive branches of the 
Government. They possess not an element of nutrition nor a vitamine of life found 
in milk; they just have a taste like butter, which they try to imitate. 

Dairy congress educational. — The consumers of America and of the world need 
information upon the food value of milk and milk products. 

The farmers who own and milk the cows have no means of disseminating these 
essential truths. Such a congress as that proposed would afford occular demonstra- 
tion to its '- isitors, and would obtain as news matter national attention to the facts 
and necessity for milk foods in the diet of the people. 

It is demonstrated and claimed by students of this question that we should have 
43,000.000 cows in the United States instead of 23,000,000 for the supply of milk 
needed by our people. 

These are not viewpoints advanced by the farmers of the Nation, but by scientists, 
economists, and men who are looking to the future of the American people. 

For the above reasons briefly stated, I gladly unite with the united dairy interests 
of the country in recmesting your favorable report of the above resolution. 

In doing so, permit me to add that I understand that the expense of the congress, 
if held, will not entail upon the United States any appropriation. I fully realize the 
conditions that confront the National Treasury, and would not want to be understood 
as advocating an unnecessary dollar of burden. 

Very respectfully, Milo D. Campbell, 

President National Milk Producers' Federation. 



Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, Novemher 8, 1920. 
The honorable the Secretary of State. 

Dear Mr. Secretary: The leaders in the dairy industry of this country indicated 
a desire last year to invite the International Dairy Congress to this country in 1920 or 
1921. The permanent secretary at Brussels, Mr.'L. Godoelst, was requested by your 



world's dairy congress. 17 

department to ascertain \Ahether an invitation could be entertained at the time bv the 
federation. His reply indicated that, at the last meeting of the federation held in 
Switzerland in Julv, 1914, it was decided to hold the next congress in Denmark in 1917. 
This was prevented on account of the war. The permanent secietarv at Biussels 
stated also that, while the war had prevented the 1917 meeting in Copenhagen, the 
next congress, whenever it is held, will probably take place in Denmaik, and that it 
was not an ayj^joitune time to hold a meeting in the United States. 

I understand that during the pist ye.ar an attempt has been made to reorganize the 
Intel national Dairy Federation through which the congresses a) e held, but that Vjecause 
of the political situation in the counti ies of Europe some difficulties have arisen. It has 
also developed that it is not fe.xsible to hold a congress in Denmark in the near future. 
Officials of the International Dairy Federation of five countries, including Holland, 
Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, and Norwav, met in Copenhagen in September of 
this year and authorized Dr. Swaving, of Holland, to come to this country for the pur- 
pose of making it known that these five countries would be pleased to participate in a 
world's dairy congress in the United States in 1922. 

During the National Dairy Show last month a conference was held by prominent 
representatives of 15 national dairy organizations. It was the unanimous opinion of 
these representatives that it would be desirable to have an international congress in 
this country in 1922, but that, because of the political situation in Europe, it would 
be preferable to ignore the International Dairy Federation as such and to call to this 
countrv a great congress under a new name. It was suggested that it be designated 
"The World's Dairy Congress." It was the view of those present that the holding 
of a congressof this kind in the United States v\'ould probably lead the way to harmony 
in the existing dairy federation, and that perhaps the federation would return to its 
former status after the congress here. 

This department is greatlv in sympathy with the plan to hold a world's dairy con- 
gress here in 1922. It is believed that such a congress would be of great value to the 
United States and other participating countries both from a scientific and a commer- 
cial standpoint. ]\lilk constitutes one of the rrost important articles of human food 
and its bearing upon human health, particularly of children, is not adequately appre- 
ciated, as indicated by the experiences of the war. Great progress has been made in 
the United States, and some of our accomplishments can be shown to representatives 
of other countries greatly to their benefit. There is much also that we can learn from 
them. It is understood to be the purpose of the congress to bring together the leading 
men of scientific and commercial experiences for the consideration of all of the larger 
problems involved, with the view of making aA ailable the best information in exist- 
ence concerning the importance of milk to the consumer, as well as the most effective 
and economic methods of production, distribution, and official regulation. 

The Chicago conference referred to has requested this department to present this 
matter to \ou for consideration. If you approve the proposal, will you not take 
steps to secure the necessary legislative approA'al to enable the State Departm,ent to 
extend official in'^ntations to the foreign goA'ernments to send delegates to the congress? 

It is believed by the representatives of the dairy industry that because of the short 
session of '^'ongress and the urgency of securing legislati^'e approval at an early date, 
so as to afford time for preparation, no appropriation should be requested at this time. 
If Congress will authorize the proposed dairy congress, it is the purpose of these dairy 
representatives to take steps later to secure a small appropriation, if it appears to be 
necessary. I am informed, also, that the dairy organizations themselves are plan- 
ning to raise a fund of $100,000 for the co"ngress. 

You will recall that about a year ago there was considerable interest manifested by 
some of the countries of South America in a Pan American dairy congress to be held 
in the United States in 1921. These countries were informed by your department 
that the idea would be presented to our dairy organizations this fall to determine 
whether or not such a meeting is feasible. Now that an effort is being made to organ- 
ize a world's dairy congress for 1922, further consideration of the feasibility of a Fan 
American dairy congress seems unnecessary, as all these countries, of course, will be 
invited to the 1922 congress if it is held. 

Will you not let me know, at your early convenience, what action will be taken 
by the State Department in connection with this matter. 1 assure you that this 
department will be glad to cooperate with the State Department in any way that 
will assist in bringing about the holding of a world's dairy congress in this country 
in 1922. 

Respectfully, 

E. Meredith, Secretary. 
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18 world's dairy congress. 

Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, 

Harrisburg, January 11. 1 9~ J- . 
Hon. Stephen G. Porter, 

Chairman House Committee on Foreign Affairs, 

Washington, D. C. 

My Dear Congressman: Recently a communication was sent by President Wilson 
to the House of Repres?ntatives asking for the passage of a bill to authorize a world's 
dairy congress in the United States in 1922. 

The last International Dairy Congress was held in Berne, Switzerland, in 1914. 
At the time of this congress plans were made for holding the next congress in Den- 
mark in 1917. Owing to the war this congress was not held and it was also considered 
inad^^sable by the leading European dairy countries to hold the next congress in 
Europe, hence the question of holding the congress in this country has arisen. 

This proposed congress has the unanimous support of the entire dairy industry 
of the United States, including our large city milk distributors, our ice cream manu- 
facturers, the butter and chees3 industry, the dairy machinery industry, as well as the 
leading cattle breeders' associations. It also has the approval of the leading dairy 
countries in Europe. 

It was my provilege to attend the International Dairy Congress held in Berne, 
Switzerland, in 1914, and I was very greatly impressed by the advantage of exchange 
of ideas from the different countries that took place at that time, and the opportunity 
afforded to study the dairy industry of Switzerland. 

As I look upon it, to have the congress held in this country in 1922 will not only 
be of great value to the industry in this country but also of great value to the countries 
which participate. 

The dairy industry in the United States in a number of respects is way in the lead 
of most of the countries in the world. Although all the dairy breeds of cattle we have 
in this country have come from Europe this country holds the world's records in 
production of milk and butter fat of all the breeds. The development of dairy machin- 
ery, especially for handling milk on a large scale, has advanced very rapidly in this 
country and there are great opportunities for developing foreign trade in the sale 
of dairy machinery. The recent scientific discovery in re,gard to the value of milk 
fat as a necessary element in the diet has been brought to light in this country and is 
as yet unknown in Europe. 

A congress of this kind would be a great stimulus to the dairy industry in the United 
States. Pennsylvania is one of the largest dairy States in the Union, and the people 
of this State are interested in this congress and will appreciate if you will take an active 
part in getting a bill through the House authorking the congress. As I undei stand 
it there is no appropriation asked for in connection with the authorization. 
Yours, very truly, 

Fred Rasmussen, Secretary of Agriculture. 



National Dairy Association, 

Davis, Calif., December 10, I9z0. 
Mr. C. W. Larson, 

Acting Chief, Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 

Dear Mr. Larson: May I add to the expressions of belief that it would be to the 
interest of our American dairy industry if the World's Dairy Congress could be held 
in America in 1922, mv own belief to that effect? 

Dairy products are among those the price of which is fixed by the world's supply 
and the world's movement. The present unrest amounting almost to panic in many 
sections of the country among farmers is partly due to a lack of realization of the 
facts that prices are a" matter'^of world movement and a lack of looking far enough 
ahead. Certain great dairy establishments of whom greater foresight might have 
been expected, are to-day suffering financially because of their lack of appreciation 
and recognition of these world conditions. I personally believe that anything which 
will tend to cultivate in the minds of the dairy industry a realization of this larger 
relationship will tend toward benefiting the industry. I hope the Agriculture and 
State Departments of the Government may help successfully to make possible the 
holding of such a congress. 

Respectfully submitted. 

W. E. Van Norman, President. 



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Michigan Allied Dairy Associattom, 

Lansing, October 22, 1920. 
Mr. B. H. Rawl, 

Assistant Chief Bureau of Animal Industry, 

Department of Agriculture, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Mr. Rawl: In accordance with a circular letter just received from Prof. H. E . 
Van Norman, president of the National Dairy Association, in regard to the proposed 
international dairy congress, it is of course immediately apparent that such a congress 
would possess the utility of resulting in very great benefit to the dairy industry at 
home and abroad and believe that you would do the dairy industry of this country a 
signal service in presenting the possibilities of such a conferer.ee as has been suggested 
by bringing the matter to the attention of the Department of State and also the Secre- 
tary of the department with which you are connected, with a view of obtaining the 
necessary recommendations to the Tongress of the United States in the matter of 
proper legislation for an invitation to foreign countries to participate formally in such 
a conference. 

If there is anything further that we can do in the way of emphasizing the importance 
of this matter in any way at all, do not fail to command us. 
Very truly, yours, 

H. D. Wendt, General Secretary. 



National Asspci.A.TioN of Dairy Workers, 

Starkville, Miss., October 26, 1920. 
Mr. B. H. Rawls, 

Assistant Chief Bureiu of Animal Industry, 

Department of Agriculture, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Mr. Rawls: At the suggestion of Prof. Van Norman I am writing you to 
express the views of the National Association of Dairy Workers on the proposition of 
this coimtrv holding an international dairy congress somewhere in the United States 
during the fall of 1922. As you are doubtless aware, our organization is now a diAdsion, 
or group, of the National Dairy Science Association. I was done the honor to be 
reelected chairman of this group at our annual meeting in Chicago, October 12 of this 
year. In this capacity I will therefore give you the views of our group on the proposed 
dairy congress. 

Siich a congress would be of unmeasureable value to the dairy industrv of this 
country. It will bring together the great brains of the dairy world where they may 
exchange ideas to the general good of the industry. We \vill be able to profit by many 
ideas we would get from the European delegation, as they would also profit by facts 
gathered from this country, and would be the means of drawing the dairy industry of 
the world closer together. On the other hand, it would give us an opportunity to put 
the industry in this country before the world to the best advantage possible. The 
entire agricultural field as well as allied industries will be much benefited by such 
congi'ess. Our organization is, therefore, heartily in favor of holding this congress. 
We are at your sOTvice to assist in every possible way to start the ball rolling, then to 
keep it going through a successful congress. 
Please command us. 

Sincerely, yours, L. A. Higgins, 

Chairman National Association of Dairy Workers. 



National Dairy Associ.\tion, 

Chicago, III., December 15, 1920 
Mr. C. W. Larson, 

Acting Chief Dairy Division, 

United States Department of Agriculture, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: I received a letter in this morning's mail from Dean Van Norman, in 
which he states that you write that you have not had any ad\ice from the American 
Creamery Butter Association regarding the world's dairy congress. Thinking that 
this was McKay's organization, I immediately called him up, and he informed me 
that he hadi not taken any action because he expected to sul mit the matter to his 
executive committee; that he personally was highly in favor of it; thought it would 
be a splendid thing to get; that he would immediately get the views of his executive 
committee and communicate with you; said he neglected the matter; was sorry, 
but that it would have his immediate attention. 



20 WORLD ^S DAIRY CONGRESS. 

In the meantime I note that the name of the association that Van Norman gives is 
"The Buttermakers;" this is the old organization that Farrell was president of, and 
I think he is president yet. lie is right in your midst, and could perhaps give you 
some views on it; in fact, this organization has pretty near become extinct, leing 
superseded by the Allied State Creamery Associations. If the latter have not taken 
any action on this matter, please let me know, and I will get in touch with their 
secretary — Mr. J. J. Harvey, at Indianapolis. 
Yours, very truly, 

W. E. Skinner, General Manager. 



National Dairy Association, 

Chicago, III., December 17, 1920. 
Dean H. E. Van Norman, 

President, Nalional Dairy Association, Davis, Calif. 
(Copy to Mr. B. H. Rawl, assistant chief Bureau of Animal Industrv, Washington, 
D. C.) 

My Dear Dean: At a meeting of the Dairy Machinery and Supply Men's Lunch 
Club, held in this city yesterday, a resolution was adopted approving of the holding 
of an international dairy congress in 1922, in America, and a committee of three 
appointed to represent these interests in conference with other dairy organizations to 
canvass the possibilities. 

I am filing the names of the committee with the chairman, and they will hold 
themselves subject to a called meeting at any time on tha subject. 

This committee consists of Mr. O. F. Hunziker, of the Blue Valley Creamery Co., 
Mr. C. N. Mutchler, of the Thatcher Manufacturing Co., and Mr. Roscoe C. Chase, 
of the Davis- Watkins Dairymen's Manufacturing Co. 
Yours, very truly, 

W. E. Skinner, Secretary. 

J. G. Cherry Co., 
Cedar Rapids, Iowa, October 23, 1920. 
Mr. B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: I have been giving considerable thought to the conference held in 
Chicago recently for the purpose of discussing the desirability of holding an inter- 
national dairy congress in the United States at a date as early as possible, which I 
assume would be in 1922. 

It seems to me that it would be a great thing for the United States to entertain a 
congress of this kind, and I am convinced that the good that would result from such a 
meeting would be of very great benefit to the people of the United States as well as 
the other countries represented. 

I realize that if this movement is brought about that no time should be lost, and I 
trust that it will be possible to secure favorable consideration for this project by the 
next congress. I can assure you that the members of this company are much inter- 
ested and that we will be very glad to cooperate toward helping this movement in 
any way we possibly can. 
Yours truly, 

J. G. Cherry Co. 
W. L. Cherry, 

General Manager. 



Massachusetts Agricultural College, 

Amherst, November 2, 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

Bureau Animal Industry, United States Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Chief Rawl: I am writing this letter to tell you that we believe thor- 
oughly in having an international dairy congress in the United States as soon as it 
can conveniently be arranged . 

If there is anything we can do to aid this movement please let us know. 
Very truly, yours, 

W. P. B. LOCKWOOD. 



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The Holstein-Friesian Association of America, 

Flint, Mich., November 1, 1920. 
B. H. Rawl, 

Chief Dairy Division, Bureau of jbiimal Industry, 

Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Mr. Rawl: I had some talk with Mr. Van Norman and others in C_hicago 
recently about a world dairy congress to be held in America, and I write to advise you 
that the Holstein-Friesian Avssociation of America would be very much interested, 
because I feel that it is the dairy industry that must be made to prosper if any of the 
•daily breeds sur\ive, and any way that we can assist I ^^ ill be glad to have you advise 
me. 

Respectfully, yours, 

D. D. AiTKEN, President. 



Illinois Agricultural Associ.-vtion, 

Chicago, III., October 23, 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington. D. C. 
Dear Sir: An informal gathering at the time of the dairy show discussed the 
necessity or desirability of holding an international dairy congress in America. 

I believe that this would be a A'ery valuable thing to do inasmuch as the marketing 
of our dairy products are getting more and more closely alive with foreign markets. 
I trust thatthis congress wil,l be held, and assure you that we shall be glad to participate 
in it ii it seems desirable that we should do so. 
Sincerely yours, 

Illinois Agricultural Association, 
By D. O. Thompson, Secretary. 



National Dairy Council, 

Chicago, III., December Ui, 1920. 
Prof. C. W. Larson, 

Dairy Division Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, D. C. 
AIy Dear Prof. Larson: I have a lettpr from Prof. Van Norman this morning, in 
which he says that you have not heard from the National Dairy Council as to the 
attitude of the council in holding a world "s dairy congress in 1922. This is an over- 
sight. 

The National Dairy Council heartily approves of this and went on record through 
its officers and executive committee at the conference held during the national dairy 
show. 

We are most heartily in favor of a move of this kind. 
Yours, very truly, 

M. D. Munn, President. 



Spokane, Wash., December SO. 1920. 

Prof. IjArson, 

Acting Chief Dairy Division. WasJrington. D. C. 
Dear Sir: During "a meeting of the National Dairy Show held in Chicago during 
October of this year" there was an informal conference held and representatives from 
all branches of the dairy interests were present. The matter of holding the world's 
dairy congress in this country in ] 922 was presented. 

We were all of the same opinion, that it would be a very desirable thing if such a 
world's congress could be held. I am writing you, as representing the above associa- 
tion, to advise that our asscoiation will lend your department any assistance for which 
we may be called upon in the promoting of such a congress. 

Please be advised that I am at your service at any time to do my part in promoting 
the work of securing and holding such a congress as I have referred to above. 
Yours, verv trulv, 

F. N. Martin. 
Presiderit International Milk Dealers' Association 



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California Creamery Operators' Association, 

San Francisco, Calif., October 30, 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: The executive committee of the California Creamery Operators' Asso- 
ciation, at its meeting held to-day, unanimously indorsed the holding of a dairy 
congress, and further agrees to do all within its power to establish a permanent dairy 
congress. 

Faithfully, yours, 

Edw. Hooper, Secretary. 



National Association of Dairy Machinery Manufacturers, 

Philadelphia, Pa., October 27, 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: I wish to express to you at this time, in the interest of the National 
Association of Dairy Machinery Manufacturers, our great desire that a world's congress 
of dairy interests be held in this country at as early a date as possible, and that you 
take the necessary steps to secure sufficient appropriation and appointing of committees 
to handle this work. 

Our organization wishes to go on record with you that we will do everything in our 
power to back this proposition and bring it to a successful realization under your 
direction. 

Trusting we may have favorable consideration from yoti in this matter, we are, 
Very truly, yours, 

E. B. Maxwell, Secretary. 

Michigan Association of Creamery Owners and Managers, 

Lapeer, Mich., November 4, 1920. 
Chief B. R. Rawl, 

Dairy Division of Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, D. C. 
Dear Mr. Rawl: At a very recent gathering of this association the writer was in~ 
structed to inform you of the favorable attitude of Michigan creamery men toward the 
holding of a dairy congress as outlined by Mr. H. E. Van Norman, and hereby petition 
you toward the calling of such a congress. With kind personal regards. 
Very respectfully, 

R. F. Frary, Secretary. 

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 
Department of Agriculture, 

Boston, October 26, 1920. 
Mr. B. H. Rawl, 

Assistant Chief Bureau of Animal Industry, 

Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: At the National Dairy Show in October, 1920, a great interest was shown 
by representatives of the various branches of the dairy industry in a dairy congress to 
be held in the United States. Such an undertaking is commendable and should be 
of great value to the dairy industry. We are interested in the development of such 
a dairy congress and sincerely hope that the Department of Agriculture may be suc- 
cessful in bringing about such an organization. 
Very truly, yours, 

A. W. Gilbert, Commissioner. 



National Association of Ice Cream Manufacturers, 

Spokane, Wash., December 30, 1920. 
Prof. Larson, 

Acting Chief Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: During a meeting of the National Dairy Show held in Chicago during 
October of this year, there was an informal conference held and representatives from 
all branches of the dairy interests were present. The matter of holding the world's 
dairy congress in this country in 1922 was presented. 



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We were all of one opinion, that it would be a very desirable thing if such a world 's 
cono;ress could be held. I am writing you, as representing the above association, to 
advise that our association will lend your department any assistance for which •yre may 
be called upon in the promoting of such a congress. 

Please be advised that I am at your service at any time to do my part in promoting 
the work of securing and holding such a congress as I have referred to above. 
Yours, very truly, 

F. N. Martin, President. 

The American Guernsey Cattle Club, 

Peterboro, N. H., December 16, 1920. 
Prof. C. W. Larson, 

Acting Chief of Dairy Division, 

United States Department of Agriculture, Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Sir: My attention is called to the matter of holding the world's dairy 
congress in this country in 1922. I am sure that all of us who are interested in the 
advancement of the dairy cow and dairying in general would feel keenly interested 
in the desirability of having such a meeting. 
Most truly, yours, 

The American Guernsey Cattle Club, 
By Wm. H; Caldwell, Secretary. 



(Telegram.) 



Blue Valley Creamery Co., 
Chicago, III, October 29, 1920. 
B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington, D. C: 
I am impressed with the undisputed desirability of holding the next international 
dairy congress in America in 1922. To bring the dairy congress to this country should 
be of the greatest value to the dairy industry as well as to the consuming public of 
the country. Such an enterprise will dignify the entire industry in a manner that 
will stimulate both production and consumption of milk and dairy; it will awaken 
this country as well as European countries to a fuller appreciation of the magnitude 
of this great industry and of its benefits to the agricultural, economic, and domestic 
life of the Nation; it will bring about an exchange of thought of all that is best in 
dairy science, dairy economics, and dairy sanitation; it will make for cheaper pro- 
duction, larger production, improvement of quality, and increased consumption of 
milk and dairy products in this' country and abroad to the lasting advantage and 
progress of our great dairy industry and to greater health and vitality of the coming 
generation. Permit me to assure you of my personal earnest desire and of the active 
interest on the part of the American Dairy Science Association to do anything possible 
to help secure from the United States Congress the necessary authoriz tion for 
bringing to this country the International Dairy Congress in 1922. 

O. F. Hunziker. 



LTelegram.] 

Chicago, Jli.., December 17, 1920. 
B. H. Rawl, 

Chief Animal Industry, Washington, D. C: 
Machinery and supply men yesterday indorsed international congress and appointed 
committee; will be at Washington Hoitel Sunday evening. 

W. E. Skinner. 



Allied States Creamery Associations, 

Lincoln, Nebr., October 23, 1920. 
Hon. B. H. Rawl, 

Bureau of Animal Industry, Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Mr. Rawl: I have just received a report of a committee of representatives 
of the dairy industry, held at the National Dairy Show, which indicates a proposed 
plan of holding a world dairy congress in America. 



24 world's dairy co:ngress. 

I am sure the associations which I represent connected with the industry join me 
in urging that this be done and that the proper procedure be started at once for secur- 
ing necessary congressional indorsement. 

To my knowledge, this country has neyer had the pleasure of entertaining the 
foreign countues in such a capacity. We are without doubt the greatest dairy nation 
of the world and it is tit and proper that we should hold here in this country a world 
dairy congress and that all nations should be invited to attend. This congress, it 
seems to me, could best be held during the time of the National Dairy Show, for at 
such a g'.eat exposition there are githered together not only the live stock but also all 
dairv machinery and equipment, so that visiting delegates could easily and quickly 
see what we are accomplishing in the industry. 

I wish to pledge the full support of our associations to this worthy cause and assure 
you that we will do everything we can to further the interest of such a gathering. 
Very truly, yours, 

A. L. Haecker, President. 



[Telegram.] 

American Feed Manufacturers Association, 

Chicago, III., 2.39 -p. m., October 22, 1920. 
Dr. B. H. Rawl, 

Animal Industry, Agriculture, Washington, D. C. 
Strongly approve holding dairy congress and will render all possible assistance 
toward securing authorization by Congress. 

L. W. Brown, Secretary. 

[Telegram.] 

Dairymens Manufacturing Association, 

North Chicago, III, October 22,' 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
We urge that every possible step be taken to secure the necessary legislation to 
secure for this country the great dairy congress of foreign countries to be held here 
prior to the dairy show in 1922 and are willing to do anything within our power to 
secure this congi'css. 

Davis Watktns. 



The American Jersey Cattle Club, 

St. Paul, Minn., December 23, 1920. 
Prof. C. E. Larson, 

Acting Chief, Dairy Division, Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Dr. Larson: I have just received from the club office a letter written 
by Prof. Van Norman to the effect that the American Jersey Cattle Club has not 
expressed its position on the world's dairy congress. 

You can rest assured that the American Jersey Cattle Club is heartily in sympathy 
and accord with this movement and stands ready to lend what assistance it can in 
supporting the effort to secure a congress for 1922. 
Very sincerely, yours, 

M. D. MuNN, President. 



Blue Valley Creamery Co., 

Chicago, October 29, 1920. 
Chief B. H. Rawl, 

United States Dairy Division, Washington, D. C. 
Dear Sir: The circular request from the National Dairy Association (Prof. Van 
Norman) to send you a wire emphasizing the desirability of bringing the dairy congress 
to this country in 1922 has just reached me, and I wired you this hour as per attached 
copy. 

1 do not know whether it is your wish to receive lengthy letters containing the various 
arguments in favor of the dairy congress. If so, I will be very glad to write you such 
a letter, but I do not wish to pester you with this correspondence if you do not con- 
sider it of particular use to you. 



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I trust that you will not hesitate to call on me for anything that I can do to assist 
you in your great task of materializing "our hope." I shall be glad and ready to give 
you all the service at my disposition, according to my best but limited lights. 
With kindest regai'ds, I am, 
Yours, very truly. 

Blue Valley Creamery Co., 
o. f. hunziker, 

Manager Manufacturiruj Departmeni 



Ayrshire Breeders' Association, 

Brando7i, Vt., December 15, 1920. 
Dr. Larson, 

Acting Chief, Dairy Division, 

United States Department of Agriculture, 

Washington, D. C. 
My Dear Dr. Larson: F'or some time past there has been considerable interest 
manifested in the holding of an international dairy cattle congress in the United States 
in the year 1922. 

As an organization I feel sure that the Ayrshire breeders are strongly in favor of such 
a proposal, feeling that the industry would be considerably benefited by such a gath- 
ering. I would therefore in behalf of our organization petition that the Department of 
Agriculture will make every possible effort to secure the cooperation of all parties with 
a view to holding, if possible, such an exposition. 

We also sincerely hope that you may be able to present this to the State Department 
for recognition, and can assure you that our organization will be only too glad to render 
you every possible service to make this exposition a success. 
With best personal wishes, I remain. 
Very truly, yours, 

J. G. Watson, Secretary. 



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